Friday, October 28, 2016

Glogster Commentary

Natural Sciences: Connections to Other Areas of Knowledge

1) CLASSWORK due 10/28/16: As a group, post a link to & title of your presentation.

2) HOMEWORK due 10/30/16: Examine two other presentations to gain knowledge and understanding:
Group 1/Religious Knowledge: Ethics & History
Group 2/The Arts: Indigenous Knowledge & split up Ethics, History, & Science-of-Science
Group 3/Ethics: Religious Knowledge & History
Group 4/Mathematics: Human Sciences & Science-of-Science
Group 5/Human Sciences: Mathematics & Science-of-Science
Group 6/Indigenous Knowledge: The Arts & split up Ethics, History, & Science-of-Science
Group 7/History: Indigenous Knowledge & Ethics
Group 8/Science-of-Science: Mathematics & Human Sciences.

Extra Credit, Groups 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8: Add *either* The Arts or Indigenous Knowledge (only one).
Extra Credit, Groups 2 or 6: Add *either* Religious Knowledge, Mathematics, or Human Sciences (only one)

Write a blog comment in which you write a paragraph for each presentation you examined. In each paragraph:
-a. state three (3) main points from their presentation that you want to be able to recall in conversation;
-b. relate the information & process from their presentation to that found in your group's assignment;
-c. relate the information from their presentation to something you learned in any class (except TOK); and
-d. analyze some extended implications of the connections brought forward in the presentation.

40 comments:

  1. Group 1
    https://prezi.com/z20lkxemqb2j/untitled-prezi/#

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  2. Ethel, Jefferson and Claire
    https://prezi.com/u_lolgi5bcme/science-and-arts/

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    1. Ethel
      History
      Three interesting points that I would like to recall in a conversation include the facts that Aristotle's works led to natural philosophy and can be considered the predecessor of modern science.I would love to discuss more on metaphysical entities. Additionally, I was like to discuss the difference in Aristotle and Plato’s practice of science. The article relates to my group project because it touches on the different theories that scientist come up with and it discusses how these theories from the past evolve into modern day science. I can connect this presentation to Ib biology because just as organisms evolve over time by adapting to their surroundings, so does science which changes as it adapts to new technology and culture.

      Indigenous knowledge
      The presentation was very informative and I would like to discuss more on permaculture and why it is mainly practiced in indigenous systems. I also want to talk about appropriation and why these innovations are not getting credited for compared to other innovations around the world. Finally an interesting fact that I would love to have a discussion for is why these knowledge systems are seen as not credible by western eyes.The presentation states that science is universal and scientist use a set criteria and my article was similar because it discussed on how similar scientists views of science are. If we support permaculture and appropriation as it relates to food and agriculture, would you support banning the production of GMO’s and processed food? If so how could that affect the economy?
      Mathematics
      I would like to further discuss mathematics and its systems of proving hypothesis. The presentation also mentioned the role of mathematics in our everyday lives. Mathematics and science are similar in the sense that they are based on theorems. In mathematics however these things are proof tested on the basis of what is already true while in science, they can be changed. There are no distinguished articles and their relations and connections to the original article. Can mathematics truly be considered a science as this would contradict the fact that theorems in mathematics are proof tested on the basis of what is already true?

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  3. Group 7

    http://prezi.com/lqtmy2jjhbsx/?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=copy&rc=ex0share

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  4. Group 8 Science of Science:
    http://prezi.com/c8uzdaztkvzw/?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=copy

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    1. Science and Science
      A main point that interested me from this presentation was the idea of metascience. This looks into science as more of a cultural rather that just cold hard facts. A connection to this that really interested me was the golden ratio rule. With this rule, there is a use of math to dictate beauty; something that is proportional and symmetrical is what is defined as beauty. For example, in my ceramics class, my teacher always stresses on making our sculptures even and smoothed out, as well as measuring the pieces of clay as we us them so that it can come well together in the end. Another main point that interested me was that science in science is just like implicating science into our cultural aspects and society. Reading this in a way reminded me of my presentation of math and science. In my presentation, it was essentially explained that math is a way of expressing what was discovered or found in science. In this presentation, I can see that with metascience, it looks into science as more of a culture, so in our everyday lives, science can be used to make us have more of an understanding on thinks. Such as the example presented, saying that the key to improving working conditions for underrepresenting groups is to understand their perspective, and a way to do so would be for example giving them a survey and looking over the results to able to get an idea on how they feel about certain matters. This also bring me to the third main point that i found interesting; metascience also help people tell their story while pursuing scientific research. I think surveys are a form of scientific research. Just as many of my classmates would have to create and conduct surveys to gather data from for their math IAs last year. The information that they collected was then mathematically explained to numerically show the outcome of their scientific research.

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  5. Science and Human Sciences (http://prezi.com/527vknn3oakp/?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=copy)

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    1. Jenifer

      Looking into science and Human science I was wondering if there was more to human science that just economics or if that was the correlation being made between these two fields. The issue with economics being correlated with science is that it is viewed more so as making a policy rather than discovering new rules or principles however one can argue that there is not set policy or rule within either field meaning that there is no precise answer since views always change and new discoveries are always being made. Although the group says the difference between the two is that natural science must be supported with evidence and reason and economics in only based on behavior isn’t observational study used within natural science similar to watching the behavior of someone or something within economics? And wouldn’t that behavioral study be considered a reason as to why economist do what they do which supports their actions? What is similar between my group's work and this group was that human science and metascience are more so behavioral approach within the study of science as there is no real experiment being done to prove them. It is more so an abstract way of viewing science outside the realm of cold facts. This abstract way of thinking is similar to literature when pulling out sentences within the text and viewing it out of context and more so abstract way to understand the overall message of the story. The idea of viewing things outside of facts can be risky since there is no concrete evidence to prove what is being said. Yet these abstract ways of viewing science can help create new thoughts on viewing things resulting in the formation of new questions to answer.

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    2. Mabel Gbenro
      Science and Science
      A main point that interested me from this presentation was the idea of meta-science. This looks into science as more of a cultural rather that just cold hard facts. A connection to this that really interested me was the golden ratio rule. With this rule, there is a use of math to dictate beauty; something that is proportional and symmetrical is what is defined as beauty. For example, in my ceramics class, my teacher always stresses on making our sculptures even and smoothed out, as well as measuring the pieces of clay as we us them so that it can come well together in the end. Another main point that interested me was that science in science is just like implicating science into our cultural aspects and society. Reading this in a way reminded me of my presentation of math and science. In my presentation, it was essentially explained that math is a way of expressing what was discovered or found in science. In this presentation, I can see that with meta-science, it looks into science as more of a culture, so in our everyday lives, science can be used to make us have more of an understanding on thinks. Such as the example presented, saying that the key to improving working conditions for under-represented groups is to understand their perspective, and a way to do so would be for example giving them a survey and looking over the results to able to get an idea on how they feel about certain matters. This also bring me to the third main point that i found interesting; meta-science also help people tell their story while pursuing scientific research. I think surveys are a form of scientific research. Just as many of my classmates would have to create and conduct surveys to gather data from for their math IAs last year. The information that they collected was then mathematically explained to numerically show the outcome of their scientific research.

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    3. Mabel Gbenro
      Science and Human science


      One of the main points that was established in the presentation was the difference between natural science and human science which is that natural science is basically the study of the physical world such as biology and chemistry. However, human science(more specifically economics) is the study of factors that describe goods and services. I actually did not know that there were so many branches of science and was interested to learn about the different areas science is split into. Another main point that I found interesting was that with science, your beliefs do not change the facts, but the theories what they believe. This also reminds me of the historians in our history class, whereas the believes of the historians dictate what they interpret as facts or not and what the present to others such as German historian revisionists explaining that the war had been caused by the failure of international relations rather than the failure of one country. Another point that I was able to pull out was that natural science studies the physical world and must be supported with evidence and reasoning but economics focuses more on behavior and lacks the elements of scientific method. Because of this, it can be said that economics is not a science because it does not study the natural world based on testing hypotheses and facts learned through experiments. This is also the case with math and science; math can be considered a science in the sense of systematic and formulation of knowledge, but does not use the method of creating a hypothesis and using empirical evidence.

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  6. Group 4: Science and Mathematics

    http://mabelgbenro5810ba4552c97.edu.glogster.com/mathematics-58140282b194a

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  7. Group 3: Ethics
    http://prezi.com/_mykwkvprwxg/?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=copy

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  8. http://prezi.com/jlsms9dcbzjv/?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=copy

    indigenous knowledge and science

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  9. Jody
    Group 4: Mathematics
    After viewing group 4’s mathematics presentation the three main points that stood out to me the most and that I want to be able to recall in conversations were:
    Like the natural sciences, which uses empirical evidences to prove hypotheses, mathematics works in a similar way but uses theorems instead,
    Math is used unconsciously or implicitly and even in situations where you wouldn’t be expecting to use it.
    “Nature is innately mathematical” which leads to the implementation of math in any science that attempts to describe nature.
    Similar to the information and process of my group’s presentation, this group also based their information on their articles. They used the information found in their articles to form their own opinions that assess the role that mathematics played in science based on the evidence in their articles and the justification provided. I related this information to an experiment in my Biology class based on Leonardo Da Vinci’s findings. The example in the presentation showed how mathematics is found within science and looking back at the experiment I did, I now see the role that mathematics played in that assignment. At the time I didn’t realize that I was actually going about a scientific experiment from a mathematical point of view but now I see that this experiment wouldn’t have been able to be performed without the use of math. From the very beginning to the very end mathematics was being used since it was needed for the measurements, the raw data and the processed data as well as the conclusion. Even though this was a science experiment, it was largely based on mathematical concepts and without the use of mathematics I wouldn’t have been able to reach a well tested and proven conclusion. Based on the Golden Ratio connection within the presentation, it can be said that mathematics intertwines with science. Mathematics isn’t necessarily science but it is a component of science since it can be used within science to prove a hypothesis but is an entirely different concept than science.

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  10. Remi

    - The three main points are meta science, not a lot of people agree with meta science’s holistic view, can be viewed as lazy and meta science goes against traditional scientific norms. They talked about the Da Vinci code and we used that example/ image to show how math and science intertwine with one other. I learned the Da Vinci code in IB Bio we had to do a lab on one of his statements. My statement was the distance from the hairline to the neck is one-sixth of a man’s height. It’s interesting how when I did that experiment it was science focused but looking at the presentation I got the scope of it being beautiful. The implications they brought forward was that sexual harassment and I found that to be very interesting. And the same views can be brought up with the arts, the artist will express their emotions on the art piece just like with meta science.

    - The three main points are economics is not a science since it focuses on policies. It’s harder to validate economics rather than physical sciences because it uses much stronger approximations. And economics lacks the basis in real world evidence. When explaining why natural science and economics differ is like why mathematics and science are the same. I learned in psychology that since it is considered a soft science it still focuses on the behavior of people and animals. When discussing economics, they said that “economics lacks basis in the real-world evidence, the scientific method, and predictive power to be considered a science.” However, when pertaining to business it is hand and hand with economics and helps provide a lot of evidence for businesses and entrepreneurs.

    - The three main points are the definition of appropriation; indigenous knowledge often lack “credibility” and indigenous knowledge relates to only particular people and their understanding of the world. For this group presentation, they had no interconnection between the two AOKs since they are two different views while for my group presentation Math and Science are two different views but they still intertwine with one another and Math is used in science when experiments are being done. In the First World War, the soldiers made bombs out of the materials they had and this reminds me of indigenous knowledge since they use the resources they made to help move along in life and set that as a tradition. In business class I learned that some countries have a economic system of a traditional economy. This being that the people control what’s being done through traditions and it’s been passed orally. But it doesn’t lack credibility since I’m learning about that country and the way it does things a certain way such as cooking a chicken with wood.

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  11. Sabeena
    Math and Science- In a way math can be considered a science because it is a system formulated around gaining knowledge. However, there is a distinction between math and natural science. Natural Sciences refer to proving a hypothesis is true with hard evidence that is gathered through experimentation and the five senses. However, Mathematics can be used to test and prove a scientific hypothesis since math is naturally found in nature and can . Mathematical equations are discovered by identifying patterns An example of how mathematics is relevant in science is with the Golden Ratio. The golden proportions are found in nature and can be identified through patterns. In science, indigenous knowledge systems are often used because of how effective and accurate they can be. Indigenous groups refined and developed their own methods by identifying patterns just like patterns are used to formulate ,mathematical equations or theories. In Biology class we learned about Mendel's experiment and how he noticed a person a mathematical pattern in the results of his plants. He found a mathematical ratio in order to prove his hypothesis on genetics. Math can reveal and relate what scientists discover by helping them find relationships between an experiment’s hypothesis and the data that is collected. By using statistics, scientists can use data as evidence to either support or disprove their original theories. In physics, calculus and differential equations are used in order to study complex relationships between one property and another. Some examples of this are the force a moving object exerts or the gravitational force that the Earth has on its satellites, including the moon.

    Science and Religious Knowledge- Scientific and religious knowledge are different because religious knowledge relates more to believing in something based on faith without concrete evidence and scientific knowledge is based on logical conclusions. Science and religion can be in conflict when dealing with subjects such as evolution and abortion. Yet, there are parallels between science and religion. For example, in Biology Mr. Hepburn discussed how many doctors practically apply religion into their field. For example, he said that doctors pray before surgeries and end up working more efficiently. They also have a relationship because elements of the scientific method were developed by religious scholars and many religious scholars find compatibility between science and religion. In addition, many religions such as Hinduism embrace reason and empiricism, holding that science brings legitimate, but incomplete knowledge of the world.

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  12. Bintou

    Group 4: Mathematics
    Human Sciences:
    Human sciences are different from the natural sciences in the way that it focuses more on humans more than the physical world, is more abstract in reason, and experimentation is less exact in answering questions. For example in economics, a branch of human sciences, hypotheses in experimentation can be affected by various factors including politics, cultural standards, technology and more. On the other hand, the natural and human sciences complement each other, bringing us insight on ourselves and our interaction in the physical world. Mathematics is a major component of these sciences, as they are used for statistical analysis of found data, whether if the hypothesis is repeatable, falsifiable, and parameter-controlled, or not. The relationship between the natural and human sciences can be seen in our impact on the environment. For example in economics, our industries have been producing so much carbon dioxide gases that it is one of the major causes of global warming. From what we learned about earth science and environmental science, our industries have been creating new innovations in order to combat this global crisis.

    Science & Science:
    Meta-science is the study of the scientific method and its implementation in developing and testing hypotheses, as well as how social, political, and cultural values affect scientific research. Factors like these can affect the way hypotheses are implemented, like remodeling a hypothesis about how fossils were formed from organisms covered in silica. In some cases, meta-scientific research can help improve quantitative data on various fields, like the representation and experiences of LGBTQA individuals in scientific data. For example, mathematics as a science is complementary to the other sciences as it helps produce quantitative data for any hypothesis, and how it is used can affect how conclusions are made and viewed, like the Da Vinci code and the use of math to express beauty. Using the idea of the golden ratio can help scientists understand measurements of the human body as well as other proportions in nature, like natural spirals.

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  13. Priscilla

    Science and Religious Knowledge.
    In the presentation for religious knowledge and science, it mostly talked about the difference between religion and science. A point made was that, believing in science and religion are not the same thing, the presentation always explained that only a small number of the population actually believes that religion and science are in conflict. Even with their differences, the presentation highlighted that science and religion can be used together in some instances. Science and religion relating to science and ethics don't show many similarities, with religion and science, some people believe that they are opposites while others believe in instances where the two come together as mentioned in the presentation. This is different with ethics and science because it is a known fact that ethics is needed in science especially with experiments but people chose to neglect it which leads to experiments like the Tuskegee study, where people die. Associating religion and science can bring about bias but that’s as far as it goes to having a negative aspect. One of the things I agree with is the difference between religion and science, even though they can be seen as a faith, science is a faith that needs evidence like Da Vinci’s golden ratio experiment we did in biology class, this golden ratio has been there for a long time but to really understand and prove its validity, we make the experiment again instead of just believing it. One of the articles used in the presentation mentioned that religion is dying and science is killing it but that argued as not true, we can say that religion is evolving with science and that religion is not “old fashion” because I know a pastor who has a Ph.D. sociology.
    Science and History
    The presentation talks about the relation between science and history, it gives specific examples that go along with the big ideas. The presentation explains how history influences modern scientific theories like with Aristotle’s words and also Ockham’s philosophy that was later reinstated by Isaac Newton about hypothesis and theories. The presentation further explains that even though history influenced most the modern science, history can hinder progress in the science field. There are some things in the science that are going to be either ethical or unethical and it doesn’t matter how this theory was made or who brought it on in the first place. In science, theories are based on the careful examination of facts and if the examination of these facts requires something unethical, it’s difficult to get other people with different morals involve. The Nazi’s are a group of people with the same morals so conducting eugenics was okay but the people who had no choice in being a subject obviously had a different moral stance. Even though history influences modern science, there are different experiments conducted to discover new things about the particular theory otherwise it will be outdated. In chemistry we talked about how the history of atomic chemistry and how the structure of the atom went through different changes due to the discoveries that were found by different scientists. History can also influence other areas of knowledge such as indigenous and religious knowledge. This is cultural and their history is what makes it unique to others like in the bible, the son of God is Jesus but in the Qur’an, the equivalent of Jesus is Mohammed and that’s what every Christian and Muslim knows and believe. The difference between this and science is that it’s not an experiment.

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  14. Priscilla
    Science and Arts
    According to the presentation, science involves art in some aspects and that one similar thing with art and science is that they both value beauty. It also talked about how scientist see more than physical beauty because, with science, even ideas can be beautiful, aesthetic beauty is not the only significant aspect. Art is important and so it art in science, it helps promote research to deal with viruses like Ebola. Art in science can be when antibodies are produced when bacteria reacts or the structural proteins found in a genome that can bring about more discoveries. Ethics and art are both needed in science, ethics provides a sense of security to participants or patients who are involved while art helps research and also help with the visualization of the scientific theories. Art in science maybe be similar to art in general when we talk of beauty but there is a difference with beauty in science as mentioned. This reminds me of a lab in biology class when we were looking at a lamb’s heart and to see all the parts we had to make a cut on the heart. At that point, beauty wasn’t how the heart looked like, it’s the fact that we could see all the parts we’ve been learning, all the chambers and valves of the heart; being able to visualize it. With history, having art can really help visualize what happens since it’s the past so the art helps with the comprehension. The art might not be in the same year but with that, it gives another perspective.

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  15. Jenifer

    When looking into this group's work I noticed the correlation between mathematics and the field of science especially when trying to prove a hypothesis. It almost seems essential to incorporate mathematics within science as it provides a more solidified and concise answer as mathematics is more systematic and formulated. Mathematics is something that we may feel we do not need but is actually important within our everyday lives as Bill Gates a co-founder of Microsoft speaks on within an article he wrote. Much like science mathematics seems to be something discovered. However if mathematics is needed to prove scientific hypothesis what is needed to prove mathematical theorems? The use of mathematics to question the accuracy of science is similar to questioning the idea of science within its own field. The need to use other ways of knowing in order to prove something within science is evident as science cannot prove itself. On the contrary within or group we looked into meta-science which tries to view science outside of hard fact and approaches it culturally in what societal norms are deemed to be which is a complete opposite of the implementation of mathematics.The importance of mathematics within science seem to go back in history as we see in WW2 soldiers needing math in order to construct the perfect wing for their planes. Looking in biology class when conducting experiments we have to use mathematics in order to get precise measurements so that each of our experiments are similar in order to compare our results. Although science cannot be precise like mathematics every time it can be used almost like a control in order to ensure similarity between two results and see why it is they are different even though similar instructions were followed. So not only does mathematics allow the exchange of results within the field of science it creates a “why” follow up question.

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  16. Jody
    Group 4: Mathematics
    After viewing group 4’s mathematics presentation the three main points that stood out to me the most and that I want to be able to recall in conversations were:
    Like the natural sciences, which uses empirical evidences to prove hypotheses, mathematics works in a similar way but uses theorems instead,
    Math is used unconsciously or implicitly and even in situations where you wouldn’t be expecting to use it.
    “Nature is innately mathematical” which leads to the implementation of math in any science that attempts to describe nature.
    Similar to the information and process of my group’s presentation, this group also based their information on their articles. They used the information found in their articles to form their own opinions that assess the role that mathematics played in science based on the evidence in their articles and the justification provided. I related this information to an experiment in my Biology class based on Leonardo Da Vinci’s findings. The example in the presentation showed how mathematics is found within science and looking back at the experiment I did, I now see the role that mathematics played in that assignment. At the time I didn’t realize that I was actually going about a scientific experiment from a mathematical point of view but now I see that this experiment wouldn’t have been able to be performed without the use of math. From the very beginning to the very end mathematics was being used since it was needed for the measurements, the raw data and the processed data as well as the conclusion. Even though this was a science experiment, it was largely based on mathematical concepts and without the use of mathematics I wouldn’t have been able to reach a well tested and proven conclusion. Based on the Golden Ratio connection within the presentation, it can be said that mathematics intertwines with science. Mathematics isn’t necessarily science but it is a component of science since it can be used within science to prove a hypothesis but is an entirely different concept than science.

    Group 5: Human Sciences
    The three main points from their presentation that stood out the most to me and that I want to be able to recall in conversation are:
    The natural sciences studies the physical world (chemistry, geology and biology).
    Economics focuses on policies rather than the discovery of new rules or principles which is why it is being argued that it is not a science.
    Economics is based on productions so it is more associated with engineering than it is with science.
    The information and process of this group’s presentation is similar to that of my group because we both implemented the main ideas of our articles and used them to form our presentations. In doing so we were both able to argue the main points using evidence and justifications from our articles which in turn added on to our original article and either agreed or disagreed with it. As stated in the presentation, “science is ‘a study of the natural world based on facts learned through experiments and observations’”. I strongly agree with this because of the labs and experiments that we have been conducting in our biology class. In class we perform hands on experiments which might include observations, measurements and/or various testings. We then use that to apply to the construction of our detailed lab reports which summarizes our whole experiment and is based on the “facts learned through experiments and observations”. Based on the connection within the presentation it can be said that economics is, in some ways, related to the natural sciences, however, it is not a science. Economics is more politically based and might sometimes border on natural science but can never go as far as falling into a category under the natural sciences. It can also be said that the two cannot intertwine with each other since within economics a hypothesis cannot be retested as it can be in science.

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  17. Indigenous Knowledge and the Sciences
    Indigenous knowledge and science tend to go in hand as some scientific knowledge falls under indigenous knowledge. Permaculture for example' deals with the developmental of agricultural ecosystem and this is something that indigenous people practiced, methods such as soil care, plant rotation, and symbolic planting. Scientists state that the difference between indigenous knowledge relates to a small group of people while scientific knowledge is universal. Indigenous knowledge develops into scientific knowledge, since they have been working for years’ scientists tend to investigate them. In our group we found out that the arts and science go hand in hand and that they are manifestations of the same thing, same thing could be same for indigenous knowledge and the science, most scientific inventions are rather innovators of indigenous knowledge. For example, in Biology last year we learned about global warming and our lack of effort to salvage the planet. Global warming is nothing new, indigenous people had some knowledge on it simply because they depended on the environment and any changes affects them widely. I think the most striking implication mentioned was the appropriation of indigenous knowledge, most the ideologies that we cecum to now are just adaptations of indigenous knowledge. It often loses its origin when it becomes universal. Basically indigenous knowledge is scientific knowledge, this knowledge travels over time and becomes and with further research into them they can become concrete scientific evidence. Permaculture for example is something indigenous people started but that is currently something that most people around the world follows with more adaptations to fit into their surroundings and available resources.

    Science of the Sciences
    Meta science is the study of the field of science its connections with societal view of different communities. Meta sciences look into science as a culture rather than cold hard facts which we try to override. Yoder’s scientific research on the LGBTQA concluded that some research is conducted to improve the culture in place of science. Fossils concluded that Fossils are preserved because the silica wrapped about these organisms before they decay help store them for centuries. A connection between science of the sciences and science and the arts is the aspect of beauty. When an artist looks at a flower they see the aesthetically part of it such as the color or its shape and that’s the beauty part for them, for scientist the beautiful part is the make-up of the flower and the cells inside of it. Information from their presentation that they touched up on was our group 4 project in which we are prescribed a current struggle in the world and our task is to find some sort of relation in the scientific field. Our topic was refugees and the relation that we found in science was the disease “anemia” which Is a big problem for Syrian refugees due to the lack of nutrition. The group’s implication is that meta science offers up the opportunity to explore things personal to us. Their example was females having the opportunity to pursue research in relation to sexual harassment while also telling a story. Meta science based on their definition of the concept is practically the origin of most scientific research as having a personal connection to something leads to eagerness and you wanting to learn more about it. It deals with the philosophy of science and finds out the implications, foundations and the methods. It also questions the logic in which we build scientific knowledge.

    Jefferson 1/2

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  18. Science and Religious Knowledge
    Religious faith is different from scientific faith; science is established on rational arguments while certain religions are followed without being understood. Some people believe science and religion are in conflict, their main issue is evolution and the belief in God and miracles and then also abortion and the beginning of life. People think science and religion has to be in conflict because religion rejects evolution, my question here is, does this relate to most religions or simply just Christianity? The group concluded that science and religion intersect and they have the ability to coexist and work together. The connection between religious knowledge and science and also science and the arts is pretty limited. Religious knowledge deals with the belief system and science provides an explanation of how the world works. Arts can be linked with religion as there are aesthetical representations of how the gods of some religious gods. Something from the slides which was an implication was their conclusion that religious knowledge has no basic foundations, religious knowledge is there but no proof to support it while science provides us with an explanation of how things work or the world we currently live in.
    Jefferson 2/2

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  19. Indigenous Knowledge and Science:
    The project points out three major points, is that the culture of indigenous people is being stolen, there is an inherent incompatibility between science and indigenous knowledge systems and permaculture, as a way of incorporating the goals of indigenous knowledge, agriculture, and the environment. In relation to my presentation, history and the natural sciences, knowledge that has been inherent to a group of people, or ‘lost in time’ is applied to modern discoveries. For example, in history, Aristotle’s work gained interest from natural philosophers in the 12th century. Aristotle’s works were applied to the knowledge of these scholars, more than a millennium after they were originally made. In indigenous knowledge systems, knowledge present to natives of an area, are applied to the modern world. One key example of these is bioprospecting, which is the process of retrieving plants found in native lands. Indigenous knowledge systems apply to biology. In biology, we’ve discussed how certain groups are more susceptible to diseases due to incorrect diets. Groups not exposed to milk or even different carbohydrates might have incorrect reactions, due to their forefathers having a set system for a diet. Essentially, they for thousands of years have cultivated key crops that have given them the necessary nutrients for survival, ergo, when new items are introduced, their health may suffer. Sadly, the implications found on the presentation are about cultural appropriation, which has anti new-age vibe going with it. The implication that one must give credit to the culture when ‘stealing’ their customs or ideas. Furthermore, many of the beliefs of the and indigenous knowledge systems wouldn’t have survived if it weren’t for interest raised by the majority population. For example, an implication given could have been how global warming affects the perma-culture societies many groups have. For example, many people in the Polynesian islands base their survival on fishing and aquaculture, but with rising sea levels, that knowledge has now become useless. However, stereotypes can rise from ‘cultural appropriation’ which, can stem from commercialization and ignorance, namely native American groups, that have been boiled down to ‘Indians.’ Indigenous Knowledge systems don’t even have to be based on native groups, for example, wouldn’t an isolated Siberian town have their own indigenous knowledge system? It is not more of the way we can benefit off indigenous knowledge systems, but how we can innovate, preserve and communicate indigenous knowledge systems through the science we use today.
    Alexander Part 1

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  20. Ethics and Science:

    The main points the presentation makes is that ethics should be involved throughout the scientific method, involuntary submission to scientific research in unethical, and sometimes, what we perceive as unethical, was reasonable and ethical in the past. In both history and ethics, we can bring our bias of living in the present. This can distort the communication we receive from past events. Although both we sometimes wonder, “huh, it was simple as that, why didn’t they figure that out?” We have hindsight, for example on paper a simple boiled down description of eugenics would seem reasonable to a person living in 1910s America, with the influences of social Darwinism and nationalism. We should prevent future generations from genetic diseases sounds a bit better than “Would it be rational to rid the gene pool of undesirables?” However, with history and ethics, we realize that sometimes by going in the past, we can look forward and not make the same unethical mistakes again. A future proposal for a eugenics program might have leaders look at the Eugenics movements of the early 20th century and realize that it is not a wise idea. In relation to history, we find that many unethical experiments are mistakenly seen as beneficially. For example, in history class we learned of Japanese experimentation, such as Unit 731. Some people declare that these experiments received medical information. However, this is not true, as the experiments disregard ethics so much that the scientific method itself was violated. Ergo, ethics may be necessary to ensure not only that the experiments are morally correct, but they are scientifically correct as well. Finally, the implications explored are those of scaring a population with these experiments as well as movements. Sadly, the negative connotation with these movements wouldn’t have existed unless we took the time to reflect mistakes. Therefore, it is important that to be objective in science and history, one must consider the ethics both of today and yesterday, and apply that to the problems the world faces toady.

    Alexander Part 2

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  21. Aakilah- Group 1

    In the presentation the connection between history and science was described. Those of 12th century decided to mix Aristotle's natural thinking with theology creating a philosophy that could be seen as a the first example of what is known as modern science. However, the philosopher Ockham’s Occam's razor removed itself from Aristotle's multiple categories of being and his views were more similar to those of medieval philosophers. His ideas were later used by scientist Isaac Newton to explain that the simplest theories are the best explanations for describing observed facts. This group’s presentation was similar to ours in that the KQ that was created discussed faith and how having faith in something can help you explain the unexplainable which often happens in science. This also showed how the subjectivity of history can cause emotions to be able to influence it. This is why historical interviews aren't usually trusted because the interviewees cannot remain subjective about the event that they’re explaining. When looking at history and science together it can cause us to have to sacrifice accuracy so that we can have the easiest and simplest explanation. So history can give us the basis of science but also prevent scientific progress because it doesn’t encourage uncommon forms of thinking.


    This presentation explored the relationship between ethics and science. When participating the the scientific process an important first step would be to consider the cost and benefits of doing it. For example the debate regarding whether the use of stem cells is ethical. Some believe it is the taking of a live while others feel that using embryonic cells to prevent a wide range of people is just. Ethics makes you have to consider these implications. Another example that was used to describe the relationship between ethics and science was eugenics. Eugenics is considered to be a science where the human population is controlled by breeding those with desirable traits. The article discussed two examples where this was used so as in Germany with the Nazis or with African American men in the Tuskegee experiment. In both cases eugenics was justified and seen as “ethical” by those doing it. This presentation is similar to my own because it talks about subjectivity being involved in deciding what is ethical. In the cases where eugenics was used it was justified by the people doing it. While in religion there are things that only people who believe in that form of religion believe in. In this presentation I also see how ethics is involved in all areas. Ethics deals with the morality of something. It tells us if what we are doing is justifiable in anyway. When examining ethics and science you see how deciding whether something was morally correct could lead to inhumane experiments. To prevent this means that when conducting scientific research you must consider to ethical costs and benefits.

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  22. Claire

    In the connection between Indigenous Systems and Natural Sciences, I learned that Permaculture is the development of agricultural ecosystems used for the sustainability of the environment that is often used by Indigenous people. The methods of permaculture can include soil care, plant rotation and symbiotic planting. Many of these indigenous methods, cultures, arts and knowledge is often taken by others without giving credit that is considered Traditional Knowledge appropriation. There are some implications to Indigenous knowledge systems such as the difficulty in maintaining cultural and scientific outcomes due to the appropriation of these outcomes. Another implication includes the credibility of indigenous groups because their knowledge is often passed down by oral tradition instead of being written. In scientific and indigenous knowledge, they represent different views of the world. However, science is universal while indigenous knowledge is specific to a community/particular people and how they see the world. In our examination of the arts and sciences, we found that they both can require the use of pattern matching and the same way art is viewed in its beauty is how science can be viewed. As for indigenous knowledge and science they are viewed differently due to indigenous knowledge being more holistic instead of individual and specialized.

    In the science of science, they discuss how meta science is defined as the study of science and its interconnections with community and society. Meta-science examines science from a cultural view rather than one of tested facts. The way in which scientist examine specific topics is different from metaphysic research that is done in a broader form. They looked in to how scientist form studies, taking into account how fossils are observed as well as how scientist observe the tails of mice to predict future male fertility. This can relate to how scientist use the arts to examine and differentiate different characteristics of germs and diseases when trying to find a cure or the origins. Scientist look at the shapes and patterns of organisms and are able to associate it with its possibilities. The implications of this can include how meta-science does not examine from a specific point of view but one that is very holistic.

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  23. Mariatu

    Three main points from the presentation Ethics & History that I want to be able to recall include the fact that Aristotle's works were rediscovered in order to lead natural philosophy - which is considered to be the predecessor of modern science, thinkers decided to mix aristotle's natural thinking with theology to develop that knowledge was more than just divine in nature, and how history can prevent progress due to lack of thinking outside the box and knowing what’s right from wrong. Taking this from their presentation reminded me of how in our article they discussed how religion is viewed without being completely understood. In this groups article, they are also saying that history can prevent knowledge due to not being able to completely comprehend. Based on this information, it ties in with our World History class. We are always looking at new facts and evidence but are they really interpreted correctly? For example, we could be looking at a cartoon trying to display a message. We don’t really know what’s right from wrong, but we have to be able to understand the picture just as the author portrayed it. Implications that were concluded in this presentation include history causing sacrifice accuracy in science and thinking out of the box less. History causes us to believe and prove things are true with science. With another area of knowledge as support, information can be portrayed as more believable to some people. Thinking outside the box less can limit us but also can tell us that we don’t have to think too much on a certain aspect.

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  24. Camiellalousia,
    Mathematics:


    Three things I would like to retain from this presentation are, 1) mathematics starts off with someone noticing a pattern
    2) It is different from science in the sense that the assumption is that it is true
    3) math is a form of science seeing as how it is discovered and any attempt to explaining or discovering nature’s mysteries are somewhat mathematical. To an extent this topic relates to “ The Science of Science” more specifically the idea of metascience. Math deals directly with the world and to notice a pattern in it one would have to look closely at the society and culture to come up with an idea of how it works before testing. Same with metascience; scientists aim to find the science in everyday activities and they find they have to come out of the actual scope of hypotheses and variables to look at the human world through a cultural lense. In our last year’s IB Math Studies we had to do an internal assessment, personally I noticed a pattern in the IB exam scores of students and the amount of exposure they had to the IB program; this project was too vast to be contained by variables. There is math and science in this with the quantitative calculations as well as with me looking into the reasons why there was a correlation between scores and program duration. Any attempt to explain something is science in my eyes. The implication brought forward was how we use math without even knowing not understanding that it is a science especially engineers, math just required phrasing.


    Group 5 Human Sciences:
    Three facts I would like to recall in a conversation is the fact economics is not considered a science to some people since the approximations create too many variables. The studying of a group of people is not considered a science. Then what is human sciences? Economics and natural sciences compliment each other with one focusing on the reality and physicalities while others, abstract thoughts. This group’s project is my antagonist, it denounces what could be called a metascience as not being a science. In my article, “ The Science of Science” it was stated how many scientists do not view metascience as a real science which causes them to look down on those who chose that path. Economics is not thought of as a science because the scientific method cannot be applied in its processes and it focuses on something ever changing, the human society. Well that is what metascience is all about, finding the science in our culture. It had made me believe that science is in everything so the fact that economics cannot be seen as a form of human science is something I disagree with. In economics we studied the process economists take to make something a law for example coming up with the lorenz curve. We may not acknowledge it but if we think outside of the scientific method ( which metascience encourages), we see how the approximations help strengthen and decrease bias in the study. The fact that it takes longer also ensures us that the if ceteris paribus is in place, the result will remain the same. An implication I saw in the text is that all things that deal with society’s ever changing ways are not considered science, and if that is true what then is human science? Where is the line between economics and human sciences drawn? Science is supposed to be a study of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment (merriam-webster); if that is the case then science is surely in everything.

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  25. Hannah

    Science and Mathematics

    One main point is that in reference to general science, mathematics can find it’s place, however, in reference to natural science, many distinctions can be found. Another main point is that mathematics is present and used in the everyday lives of people, even as we do not realize.
    One last main point is that mathematical equations are discovered rather than invented because the pattern that lead to the verification of the equation existed beforehand. The information in their presentation is similar to my own group’s presentation because of the idea that the question asked, if the certain subject is considered a science, can be answered in both yes and no. To a certain extent mathematics is a science and to a certain extent economics is a science. The example given in the presentation was the golden ratio. This relates to a lab report done in IB Biology where we had to use the golden ratio to find correlation in different scenarios with the human body. This showed the clear correlation between mathematics and general science. Further implications can be seen the idea that mathematics is apart of and can correlate with many different areas. In TOK, when we are asked to correlate something we are learning with another subject, math is rarely used because many people cannot find correlation with the two. However, in reality, mathematics can be correlated with just about everything.


    Science of Science

    One main point is that meta science refers to the study of science in relation to society and the community. Another main point is that many scientists have attempted to study this field of science but experienced difficulty with having it accepted in the science world. One last main point is that there are several interconnections within this topic, such as, the Da Vinci code being used to dictate beauty in the science. The information in their presentation is very similar to that of ours because our group also compared a science and science. At first this seemed weird, however as you continue to research and gain knowledge on these concepts, it makes more sense and you are really exposed to the different sciences that exist. The presentation again relates to IB Biology with the lab report on the human body. The Da Vinci code was used, however I did not think of it being a science of a science but it makes a lot of sense. Some extended implications include the idea that this topic branches off into many different areas and can connect to topics that one would not even imagine to be science related, such as the example of sexual harassment in the science field.

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  26. Shania

    Indigenous knowledge
    3 main points
    Permaculture how science help with the development
    Indigenous science and the application of theories of knowledge ? (In what context does the theories of knowledge relate to )
    Does permaculture show the significance of agriculture in one’s culture or how science is different in many cultures


    I find their presentation to be very interesting , however it's just a standardized tok prezi I don’t see interconnections or the articles. I just see a mass explanation on how science and indigenous knowledge are related. One thing they did that my group didn’t really focus on was definitions , mostly because everyone knows in the basic sense what history and science are. I like how they included that point because it was very important not everyone is gonna know about indigenous knowledge terminology. When it comes to how science played a role in indigenous knowledge as to History in Indigenous Knowledge i see that it they compare how science in indigenous knowledge is difference from science in general saying how indigenous science makes it less universal. Whereas in our prezi we talk about how scientific history affects the future of science positively and negatively. The way they talk about culture makes me think of IB History since we are in World War I right now we talk a lot about groups of people even recently as we discuss trench warfare in the movie we watched “Gallipoli”, we see how the australians leave there belonging behind and how the commander is basically untouched by the casualties and bodies he has to sacrifice. Just how different cultures are affected by war and recall history different different cultural groups interpret agricultural science differently or just science differently in general.

    Ethics


    3 main points
    Stem cell article ( how important is the extension and advancement of research)
    If not stem cells than in order to enhance medical science what would have to happen for you to violate ethics
    Eugenics is that ethical ?


    I like how they included a lot about the article that they were initially given , I see only one other article and the rest of the prezi is showing up blank for me , I don’t know if it is a glitch or whats going on. Another issue is that it's hard to navigate when clicking the arrows only one side showing up. What i think was unsatisfactory was how in the initial article they gave they just put the link and said very little about how it connects Ethics and science. This makes me think of IB Business that I took last year because ethics is a key factor in business is ethics and when working on my IA and investigating ethics in uber I realized the importance of ethics in anything that relates to people. In america we are promised equality and ethics is a big part of that. The prezi doesn't give much information onf implications other than the ones implied in the examples

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  27. Camiellalouisa
    Extra credit Science and Arts:
    Information I would like to recall: Scientists are like artists because they all also see the beauty in things except theirs is through its genetic makeup. Ideas that we find beautiful are not just aesthetic judgements. Art can be a way to show science for example images of the Ebola virus contain color variations that one could call beautiful. Thinking about science in such a way can boost interest in it across a vast majority of people thereby increasing the chances of discoveries. The third fact i would like to recall is that arts and sciences are both used to depict what we believe is the world; it is our perceptions which we know are altered. Same with art, two scientists can be given the same piece to paint but still have very different outcomes nevertheless, one can still identify the three main objects. Again I think my article connects with this because finding science in art is one of the goals of metascience; to find the connections between science and society. Art is a part of society; the same way. It takes us away from depending on quantitative data when dealing with science. One of the implications talked about is the fact that connecting science with arts in such a way according to the natural science foundation if three dimensional prints of ebola is considered art it can boost research in ebola seeing as we are drawn to things pleasing to our eyes; just like how our memory of something is stronger when there is a strong emotion behind it. Looking at the art in science could definitely boost interest in scientific research.

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  28. Aniyah

    Science and the Arts

    One of the main ideas is the Higg's partice, concepts we perceive as beautiful, but this is not due to some aesthetic judgement. In sciences, art not only provides information on how bacteria is used to produce human antibodies but it helps us visualize the process as well. The sciences and arts aren't just linked, they both are manifestation from the same thing. There process is different from my groups, rather than paragraphs we leaned more toward an outline of information, but we came to the same conclusion on how the AOKs compliment the other. The implications behind the presentation is that the sciences and arts not only fuels our creativity but our thirst for knowledge, this is demonstrated in textbooks with diagrams of the heart, body, etc. For instance in my biology class my teacher, Mr.Hepburn, has us draw diagrams of the heart's circulatory system in order for us to not only learn the process but to be able to visualize it in our minds in order to grasp a better understanding of it, not only did we learn about the art but it improved our drawing skills because we had to learn how to properly depict the art as well.


    History Science

    Main ideas, aristoltes natural thinking of theology in order to develop the concept of knowledge that was more than divine nature. History influences future scientific ideals and theories. Although history sacrifices accuracy it allows us to prosper and travel into a new direction. There process is different from my groups, rather than paragraphs we leaned more toward an outline of information, but we came to the same conclusion on how the AOKs compliment the other. The implications behind the presentation is that the sciences and history together make it so that we don't repeat past mistakes, but history in science can also stop advancements in the scientific field due to a lack of out side the box mentality. I remember in class when my history teacher discussed how the German's used poison gas during WW1 but didn't approach the gas with a outside the box mentality and wasn't able to take advantage with it, however they learned from this and later used it more effectively in WW2.


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  29. Jeneva
    In the presentation about History and Sciences, many examples shed light to the various effects that history has on the development of the sciences. The models that were used in the articles intertwined Philosophical ideologies with the whole idea of "growth and development" being a significant characteristic in how science is established. The example that the presentation included used Aristotle's ways of thinking and theology to support the claim that science just doesn't exist but is developed. The theories and ideologies established by philosophers like Plato and Aristotle set the foundation for what we know today as science. One last point is that History "can influence future ideals and theories." My group did Science and Ethics and much like history, ethics can shape science in catastrophic ways. Implementing traditional ideas can cause more good than bad and it also encourages simplistic thinking and reasoning. In Biology class, we learn about the human body and how there have been many advances in the way that surgical procedures are done and also how diseases are cured. Recently we were able to dissect a sheep's heart to understand the flow of blood throughout the heart. The advancement of biology throughout history makes learning the concept more practical. Through the various resources provided and theories present, connections from the past can be made to analyze the most effective way of doing things. The implications are more so negative due to the idea of using historical ideologies and theories leading to a more simplistic approach. In other words, there could be a scientific research question that may require an advanced approach in the present that was not required in the past. But since precedent is taken into consideration nd the more simplistic approach is used then the outcome may not be beneficial for this day and age. The other presentation that I read was about Religious Systems and Science. The first main point that was introduced is that "having faith in science is different than believing in a religion." The idea that people believe in religion without understanding it is also something that was mentioned in the presentation. According to one of the articles, religion does not supply us with an explanation of the world that we live in. As is relates it to my presentation, religion can create bias much like ethics can. They both cause people to have one sided views about science. The Evolution Theory is a topic that many people have split views on due to their religious beliefs. When learning about the Evolution Theory, it is often hard for people that believe that God made man from dust, to believe that humans evolved from monkeys. When learning about the theory, I find it easy to simply forget about my religion and just embody the scientific explanation. The implication is that science is used to understand the ideas that are physical and in many instances seen by the human eye while on the other hand, religion is used to understand things of the world that really can not be explained.


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  30. Beltine
    ART: The idea that scientist and art both value art but they also define it differently. An artist sees art for what is like its shape, color, etc meanwhile scientist see it for what it is made up of and the elements used to create it. Another thing that stood out to me was the idea that we often speak of beauty in art through scientific theories.the last point made i felt was memorable was the se three dimensional structures of Ebola proteins are considered visual arts and are able to promote research against Ebola. In relevance to Indigenous knowledge, art can be found through cultures and traditions. Indigenous knowledge is local knowledge that's unique in a society and it's often done only in that society. Art can be found in traditional dances that was passed down from generation to generation, these dances remain the same because there’s a stories being told through it like the moghamo traditional dance. In Ib biology, Mr.Hepburn constantly talks about the beauty in the structure and functions of the art. This shows that art can be showed in ny and everything, it's just the way we interpret it that changes the meaning.Some implications in the subject of art is no one except the creator truly knows the story or purpose behind the art. Many people tend to misinterpret and misunderstand the piece unless the author explains it themselves.


    HISTORY:
    In the 12th century, writers used aristotle's natural thinking with theology to develop that knowledge was more that just divine in nature. The next point that I was able to recall was history can influence future scientific ideals and theories. Lastly the idea that also stuck out to me was history can prevent progress in the scientific field because of the lack of out of the box thinking. History and indigenous knowledge are quite similar, although i would disagree to a certain extent that history doesn't progress the scientific field. History shows us what to improve on for instance in the history of agriculture, we’ve learned that indigenous people hand a certain way of planting crops so that would it wouldn’t negatively affect the environment. We are to learn from their mistakes to improve ours.As stated before we’ve learned in IB world litarature shows us ways in which we could have prevent wars like world war one and two. We are again supposed to learn from these mistakes to prevent ourselves from entering anymore wars.Implications in history is they only show us what we could prevent from occurring but not really what is certain will happen.

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  31. Efi

    Indigenous Knowledge
    The main points of this presentation were that permaculture has been done by indigenous groups for centuries, traditional knowledge appropriation occurs a lot in the western world, and that indigenous knowledge not only has value for culture, but also for scientists. In the presentation, it was mentioned that indigenous knowledge and science (such as permaculture) evolves through communication and the sharing of ideas. This is similar to my group's presentation because we in our presentation of science and history, we came to the conclusion that that history is a big part of science. This was done by looking at the evolution of philosophy to the sciences we have today. Like indigenous knowledge evolves, so does science through history and taking ideas from previous knowledge. As we've discussed in our science class last year through national geographic films, our indigenous knowledge changes. The presentation contains several implications. One implication is that indigenous knowledge is often appropriated by other groups, which makes it hard for the culture ans science to be conserved. The presentation states that those cultures who have been doing these things for years should be credited. Failing to credit other cultures for this fairly common in today's society, due to a lack of written work, as stated in the presentation. This can be overcome if more people start informing people through both speech and written work of the indigenous knowledge.

    Ehics
    Three main points of this presentation are that ethics deals with moral principles and should be applied at every stage of science, eugenics is the science of increasing human population through controlled breeding to get desired traits, and there are cases where the application of ethics is absent or questioned. The use of ethics can be seen in the examples from my group's presentation, as the principles, such as occam's razor applied ethics. The question of ethics and stem cell research was brought up in biology class last year and we had to decide if it was ethical or not. It seem seems that this is a very complex question of ethics, with varying viewpoints. One implication of ethics and science explored in this presentation is the research that was done on the Tuskegee men. Because they were infected without their knowledge and were purposely not given the cure so that the effects of syphilis could be tested; one could say that this is a clear use of eugenics and a lack of ethical consideration.

    Extra Credit (The Arts)
    Three main points o this presentation are that the arts and sciences are avatars of human creativity, while both scientists and artists can value the beauty in something, scientists will look at the beauty of its complicated aspects and that by learning about how microorganisms react, we not only gain appreciation of it's artists beauty, in addition to scientific knowledge. My presentation also mentioned how the most beautiful answer is seen as the correct one. However, while this presentation seems to follow the idea that the complicated answer is the most beautiful and therefore correct, mine leaned towards the beauty in simplicity. This reminds me of an early assignment in art class. We looked at artwork that consisted of several shapes. While it looked fairly simple, we were able to create multiple potential meanings of the artwork, and while others found it beautiful because it was simple- yet complicated, others found it not so impressive. An implication of this that is explored in the presentation is the use of art when looking at ebola. It explains how the visual representations of ebola proteins help when researching about ebola. This shows how art is very useful in science, because by seeing it visually represented, we're able to understand it better.

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  32. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1csIv50M0OFCXqBaqEP_RasyjeDwamM55AgBx4YozSgI/edit?usp=sharing

    Jasmine

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  33. Yared part 1
    Science and the arts
    Knowledge question- How can one use logic to decide on the correlation of science in the arts?
    Most people tend to think there is a big difference between science and the arts but that isn't necessarily the case. There is actually a close relation between the two because, as the group’s presentation demonstrates, “scientists… value beauty in the arts…” as much as artists themselves. This definition is still a little different because, for scientist, beauty is accompanied by deeper curiosity. Meaning, an artist might admire nature by just looking at it but a scientist will admire, and then, explore all of the components that makes it beautiful. This is an interesting point to remember in a conversation because it is interesting to look at how scientists define beauty. The presentation also mentioned a scientist is more likely to see the “cells inside the flower…” instead of the plant by itself. That would be another interesting idea to mention in a conversation because it would be interesting to explore the degree of difference between science and the art. I think it is also interesting to discuss how the two are different because it would be a great method of gaining a balanced view. Another reason for exploring a balanced view is to gain a clear understand of the implications. This is because people usually have an opinion about the relationship between science and art depending on how they define it (thus the reason I chose it my first point of discussion).
    Scientist have different definition for art and the group presentation incorporated interesting ones. The first point made in this group is the fact there is a deeper view of beauty for scientist. This is because scientist first see the beauty of the nature as it is, and when they discover the components of the beauty, it becomes even more beautiful. We explored a similar idea in Biology class because scientists have taken some time to explore the components of DNA. This aspect of life is beautiful as it is but since scientists also find the components beautiful, a new discovery is like adding a new beauty to the larger painting. This is similar to my group project because it explores the different definitions of religion among scientist. For example, one might see art as having a common meaning for scientist. This is the reason they spend years trying to figure out that components and when Mendell finally discovered the solution it made the equation even more beautiful. Now there are counter argument to this and that is the fact scientist still don't fully understand all of the different components of DNA. This might raise the argument the picture is still not finished so there can't be a clear painting in mind. This might bring the point the two components are completely different and not the same in any way. Now this brings us to implications and that is how the definition of art among scientist changes the view of relation between the two. This group project and my own project clearly showed that the main reason for viewing the two components as similar or different completely depends on the definition of each among scientist. For this reason it would be the definition of art and religious belief among scientist. If this has an effect on the person's understanding of relation, the person's own ideas must also have an effect this means if a person is has similar definition for art and science they would probably see them as the same thing.

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  34. Hannah (Extra Credit)

    Science and Art

    One main point is that scientist tend to see more than the physical beauty which is something that artist may not see sometimes. Another main point is that scientist have an advantage of their knowledge since they are able to see this inside factor of beauty. One last main point is that art and science are not only connected, but they are practically the same thing. The information within the article relates to my group’s presentation in a sense that you really do not see the connections in something unless you are an expert in the field. With my presentation, an economist can easily point out why economics is a science while someone else could not and the same goes for a scientist relating science to art. This information relates to something learned in Russian class where we discussed that some things that may seem similar in one language can actually mean a totally different thing in another language. The idea of beauty is a prime example. Extended implications can include the idea that although art may seem too abstract and useless to the science world, it is actually heavily used and even to scientist’s advantage in some ways. They are able to analyze things in a way that others cannot all due to the artists aspect of the concept.

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  35. Group 4: Science and Mathematics
    A main point from their presentation that I wanted to recall is that natural sciences uses a system of proving hypotheses based on observed evidence. When mathematics are used in the natural sciences a person has to use knowledge and testing based on observation in order to help prove a scientific hypothesis. Any science attempting to describe nature depends on math since math equations are certain patterns that are discovered in nature. I'm my group's presentation we found that natural science focuses on the study of the physical world and involves experiments and theories which is innately mathematical. Math can affect our life, for example in IB History of Americas class I learned about how during World War 1 mobilization plans depended on the railways so math had to be used to plan in advance. Math is a useful and essential tool for advancing the natural sciences and it could be a form of science.

    Group 8: mathematics and human sciences
    From the presentation I learned that meta-science is the study on the philosophy of science and the relationships with societal view on various communities. Meta-sciences studies the culture of academic culture which is different from that of traditional scientific norms to research a specific and narrow area of research. A third point from the presentation I would like to recall is that there can be problems to scientifically study something which, by its very nature, cannot become an object of our scientific studies but we connect science to society and cultural aspects that can affect our everyday lives. In my group's presentation we explained that the human sciences is the study of human behavior and when compared to the natural sciences it is more abstract. Similar to the meta-sciences the human sciences can have varying results because it is based on the observations of humans so it is difficult to do an experiment. The sciences when connected to different societies and cultures have an impact on cultural views for instance, in my IB Biology class, we conducted our own experiments using mathematical equations to test the accuracy of the golden ratio proportions by Da Vinci of the human body. The meta sciences allows people to research issues and conduct experiments that are connected to society.
    Tamara

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